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 PostPosted: October 17th, 2012, 9:50 am   
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So it seems that since the group is wanting this to get pushed forward as far as interest goes to drive up participation is there an "active" commity / group ?
I'd think that there should be to assist it in moving forward.
It seems like its a question thats been asked before but haven't gotten a real answer if it exists at all. I know Himagain works and types his butt off.

I'd think a commity of 3-5 people is a good start to help spread the load. Would be used to help promote the racing , rules and rulings , safety , membership population and general ideas .

It doesn't need to be the ODBA but I think it's worth some structure at its present time.

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I think because "we" are running under the TORC/CBF umbrella we really need to get a set of rules/guidelines in place that suits the class's needs. It can mimic the ODBA/Jasper structure (because that seems to work well) but it needs to go through the proper channels so its accepted at the race site. Like you said Jeff this shouldn't be left to one guy. It's always tough to get people to volunteer their time but that's what the class needs to get off the ground. It looks like there's LOTS of interest and once a racers shows to a race usually they're hooked. Dunnville seemed to work pretty well this year and with a bit more organization/fine tuning this will be a serious drag series.

Keep the dialogue going and maybe talk to some of the TORC guys to see how or what needs to be done to move the class forward or the best way to do it.

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Ted , Greg , Jason and myself had some detailed discussion on ideas and I'd love to help out but I think the people should be voted in. Unless there's only a few people that volunteer to begin with.
So. . . I for one volunteer myself to help out.

You as well Rick. Haha.

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This may help some... Proper procedure for CBF rules changes:

1. Read existing Outboard Drag rules (there have been CBF Drag rules for 2 years, establish by Richard Brown and myself)

2. If there are changes CBF members would like, you write a rule change proposal... stating the current rule wording, and how you would like the altered new rule to read. Or if there is no rule covering what you would like to add, you write the complete new rule line you would like added to the book. Wording of these changes has to be exactly how you will see it in the rule book.

3. You send this rule change proposal to the CBF Outboard Executive prior to the CBF Convention (February it looks like)

4. You show up at the CBF Convention Outboard Meeting (or submit electronically for someone to present for you) and present each of your proposals 1 by 1 to the Outboard Drag members and the Outboard Executive. Those in attendance discuss your proposal, amendments can be made or requested by other CBF members during this discussion. It is then voted on the spot for each proposed change by members of CBF Drag.

5. If the Outboard Executive sees fit, it may submit a rule change proposal to mass email to all Drag Members for voting. In last 15 years this has never been done. Voting has always taken place on the spot for all outboard categories and classes.

6. Also, if the Drag racers request it, they can have an Outboard Drag rep on the CBF board who would guide the Outboard Executive (Rich Brown was this until he left, I'm not sure if someone else is listed with CBF in this position currently).

If the existing rules are no where close to the direction this group would now like to go, you could ask the Outboard Exec if you can simply re-write them all and submit a new rule book. Doing this "might" prompt CBF Board to submit new rule book to the insurance company for re assement of policy costs.

Anything to do with safety, CBF Board of Directors (above the CBF Outboard Executive) has final word.

I hope this has shed some light...
Andrew

Here are your current rules:

2012 OUTBOARD DRAG RULES
The CBF General Racing Rules will prevail over the Outboard Drag rules in any conflict or where a situation is unclear.
This category is under demonstration status and during this period, rules and regulations may be changed or revised at any time prior to or during an event in order to promote safety and or fair competition of the sport by the Race Committee.

RULE 1 • CONTESTANT’S ELIGIBILITY
(1-1) To be eligible to compete in Drag races sanctioned by the CBF, an individual:
A. Must be a full racing member of CBF in good standing. This applies to every person in a boat during competition or participation.
B. Must register with CBF National Headquarters, which will provide the member with a membership card showing the categories for which he or she is registered.
C. Must register their equipment with the Race Committee on an entry blank provided for this purpose.
D. Must also belong to a club which is a current member of the CBF.

RULE 2 • RACE ENTRIES
(2-1) Filing false or incorrect information on entry blanks shall be sufficient cause for suspension of owner and driver for one year from all racing as provided in the By-laws of the Federation. However, serial numbers are unnecessary and will not be cause for disqualification.
(2-2) The driver, by entering the race, guarantees compliance with all rules of the organization by crew, equipment and themselves.

RULE 3 • GENERAL RULES
(3-1) Any driver who races a motor or hull or outfit which does not meet with specifications as quoted in these rules will be disqualified and warned. A second disqualification for the use of illegal equipment within a period of six months will result in automatic suspension of the driver for a period of six months from the date of the second disqualification.
(3-2) A boat shall be disqualified which takes on fuel, supplies, equipment, or articles or material of any description before crossing the finish line without receiving in advance the consent of the Race Committee. Such minor repairs will be allowed if the participant does not interfere or delay the normal process of the race per the Race Committee. Minor repairs include: tightening of loose external nuts and bolts and the repair or replacement of propellers, steering system, throttle cable, shift cable, engine trim, engine tilt system, engine lift system, ignition system components, fuel lines, fuel filters, fuel pumps, carburetor jets, safety switch system, electric starting system components, and any other parts not covered by post-race inspection or technical rule requirements for that particular class. At the option of the race director, any part of the outboard motor may be changed under the notification and control of the Motor Inspector.
(3-3) Owners or drivers are to fasten their assigned number to each side of their boat in such a manner that the number is readily visible by the officials. Numbers must remain intact throughout the race. Numbers shall be a minimum of 4” tall and of contrasting color. Numbers will be between 2 and 999 and will be assigned by CBF. Requests for special numbers will be honoured on a first come, first served basis by CBF.
(3-4) Race officials may not use the official videotapes to assist in decision making except for starts and finishes. The use of other videotapes is not permissible in an appeal.
(3-5) Drag races will be double elimination. Points will not be awarded unless a minimum of three boats start the race.

RULE 4 • RACE COMMITTEE MANAGEMENT
(4-1) Failure of the Race Committee, judges or any other official, directly or indirectly connected with the handling of a race, to carry out any provision of the rules or regulations, shall have no bearing whatsoever on the rights of any contestant or upon a contestant’s duty to obey all rules.
(4-2) Should any boat or owner commit a breach of these rules which is of a minor or technical nature and, in the judgment of the Race Committee, has had no direct effect on the relative position of the boats at the finish line, said Committee shall have power to decide whether or not such boat shall be disqualified. The referee shall record a minor infraction on a member’s card whenever the member has defied the rule book. After the second such infraction is recorded within a six month period, that driver shall be disqualified from that heat and all other heats of that day’s race. (A minor infraction is any infraction of the rules that does not in any way enhance the performance or finish of the boat or jeopardize the safety of the event.)
(4-5) Race Reports: The Drag Referee or Drag Scorer shall report results to CBF Head Office with a method bearing a date mark not later than fifteen (15) days after the final day of competition in the regatta. Material received after this will not be considered as eligible for championship tabulation or record claims unless the Drag Racing Representative shall see fit in their judgment to extend the time.

RULE 5 • DRIVERS’ MEETING
(5-1) The Referee must choose at least one Drag driver’s representative. In case a driver cannot attend a Drivers’ Meeting because of extenuating circumstances, it shall be the privilege of the Race Committee to permit the driver to be excused, have a private meeting and possibly be subject to a maximum penalty of $100.00.
(5-2) It will also be the duty of the Race Committee to inform drivers where to congregate upon completion of a heat. The Race Committee shall also have a meeting for all patrol boat personnel.

RULE 6 • SUPERVISION-DISCIPLINE
(6-1) Racing for Drag classes shall be conducted under the supervision of the Outboard Racing Commission. The decisions of this Commission shall be final in all matters pertaining to the administration and interpretation of the rules for these classes. This Commission shall serve as an appeal board for owners, drivers, referees, inspectors and race committee.
(6-2) Should it come to the attention of the Referee or any member of the Outboard Racing Commission that any owner, driver, contestant or assistant of these, has violated any of these racing rules, which violation in the opinion of said Commissioner is of major importance or contrary to the best interests of power boat racing, has acted in an unsportsmanlike manner in connection with any racing event or whose conduct is unbecoming a gentleman, then the commissioner may disqualify, place on probation or suspend the said person or persons. Such probation or suspension shall be considered temporary, but in effect until such time as the matter shall have been reviewed by the CBF Board of Directors.

RULE 7 • TRACK
(7-1) All races shall be a maximum of 800’ in length and consist of at least two lanes.
(7-2) Lanes shall consist of as a minimum, a start buoy, 1 mid track buoy and finish line buoy.

RULE 8 • BUOYS AND PENALTIES
(8-1) Contestants who fail to stay within the proper buoys shall be disqualified for that run.
(8-2) Any boat that fouls (damages or dislodges) a buoy, forces another boat to foul a buoy or other obstruction, or violates in any other way the rules governing right of way shall be penalized by a loss for that round. Participants must stay within their lane the entire track or will be disqualified. The Race Committee or Referee may, with or without a protest, penalize any boat before the awarding of prizes, which has committed a breach of these rules.

RULE 9 • STARTS
(9-1) Boats will start idling, in gear, off plane. Boats will stage in pairs according to instructions from staging boat. Yellow flag signals next pair to enter commitment area (area between staging buoy and starting buoy). The race will be started with the white flag or electronic starting device at the Starter’s discretion.
(9-2) Flags:
Black: Return to pits or do not leave pits
White: Start of heat
Yellow: Move from holding area to staging line
Green: Inside lane winner
Red: Outside lane winner
(9-3) Each heat will be started by the raising or lowering of the white flag, at the starter’s discretion. Christmas tree starting light procedures may be used.
(9-4) PAIRING BRACKETS: Drivers shall draw for their initial bracket positions. If a driver draws a bye, they are not required to make a single run.
(9-5) The following starting procedure is recommended for all races. Both boats must be off plane by the staging buoy. The pace boat is the inside lane (established by the Referee at the drivers meeting), and must slowly idle towards the starting buoy. Both boats must be even prior to reaching the starting buoy or the starting judge will determine fault and call a turn-around. The non-pace boat must remain even with the pace boat as they approach the starting buoy. Only one fault per boat per pairing bracket is allowed before a loss for that heat results. The start judge may call a turn-around with no faults given, at his/her discretion. The winning boat in a double fault loss is still required to run a single.

RULE 10 • FINISH
(10-1) Minimum of one judge is required at the finish line, two are recommended.
(10-2) The first boat to cross the finish line is the winner of the heat.
(10-3) A judge may videotape the finish and may review the videotape to make a judgment on the finish.
(10-4) After crossing the finish line a boat shall not interfere with any boat still in the race as to affect the time of such boat at the finish and when course layout permits, shall move to the outfield and remain until signalled by the flag.
(10-5) In order to be scored, a boat must be running under its own power at the finish.

RULE 11 • SCORING
(11-1) Scoring for double elimination shall be by the following methods:
A. Any driver participating (finishing at least one heat) will receive 25 “show up” points.
B. Each driver will receive 25 points for each heat won.
C. Each bye run will receive 25 points.
D. Additional points will be given to first and second place finishers in each class as follows:
First 125 points
Second 50 points
(11-2) If any 1st or 2nd place driver is disqualified, the additional points awarded to that driver will be reassigned to the next placing legal driver.
(11-3) Any boat and motor will be allowed to compete in any class in which it qualifies according to the rules of that class. The driver will receive points in the class in which they run.
(11-4) National Headquarters will tabulate High Points on a race basis with the following procedures:
A. There must be at least three legal starters of the class to receive High Point credits.
B. There will be a separate High Point record for each class.
C. Points will be credited to the driver of the boat, as shown on the Official Summary Sheet for the class entered, and not to the owner of the boat, if different.

RULE 12 • PROTESTS AND APPEALS
(12-1) After competition, drivers shall have the right to protest any violation of the rules arising from sanctioned regattas affecting their particular class. If the protest concerns eligibility or legality of an entry, the protest must be filed in writing with the Referee not later than one hour after the finish of the last heat of the class in question or not later than one-half (1/2) hour after the finish of the last heat of racing on the day’s schedule, whichever comes last. If the protest concerns the eligibility or legality of an entry, the complainant must post a fee, in accordance with the category rules.
(12-2) The Inspector serving on the Race Committee shall be the sole arbiter of boat and motor protests. In any case, a $200.00 fee, plus $25.00 per cylinder for a powerhead protest, shall be collected from the party protesting another contestant. If the boat or motor is found to be in compliance, the protesting party shall lose his protest fee which shall be awarded to the protestee. The owner of a boat or motor so protested shall present his boat or motor for inspection immediately after the race, or when required to by the Referee. In the case of a motor protest, the Inspector shall when necessary instruct the owner or driver to dismantle the motor completely. The Inspector may impound certain parts to determine their compliance with these rules. In case of a boat protest, the Inspector shall measure and request the driver or owner to remove certain parts such that the Inspector may ascertain if the boat complies with these rules. Any expense required to carry out the protest shall all be borne in full by the loser.
(12-3) Fuel protest fee is $375 (non-refundable). Fee must be paid in cash at the time protest is filed. If the fuel test results determine the fuel to be illegal, the protested shall bear the entire expense of the fuel test and the protesting party shall be reimbursed the protest fee.
(12-4) In the event of a gross premeditated infraction, the driver and/or owner will be disqualified from racing with CBF for one calendar year. Boat driver and/or owner loses any accrued points, in all classes, up to and including the infraction date. The following are examples of a gross premeditated infraction:
A. Refusal to tear down during motor inspection under protest.
B. Not passing motor tech inspection under protest.
C. Refusal to submit to fuel check (in applicable classes).
D. Not passing fuel check.
E. Any direct or implied threat toward any CBF official or participant.
(12-5) If a boat owner and/or driver is charged with a gross infraction and wishes to be reinstated within that calendar year, a $500 CBF Drag Reinstatement Fee may be paid by the violator, but points earned prior to and including infraction date cannot be reinstated. The reinstatement fee will be divided equally between the remaining drivers of that class on the day that the violation occurred. The reinstatement fee will be paid to and distributed by the Race Director.
(12-6) All decisions of the Referee shall be final regarding violation of starting, driving and course rules and appeals will be allowable only if suspension is involved.
(12-7) Any contestant who wishes to appeal a disqualification of boat, motor, or suspension, may do so by filing with the Referee a written statement accompanied by a $100.00 appeal fee. The matter will then be settled by the Outboard Racing Commission. If the appeal is upheld, the $100.00 appeal will be refunded. Otherwise, it will be utilized to defray general expenses of the Outboard Racing Commission. Under no circumstances will an appeal be entertained unless it is filed with the Referee within one hour after the conclusion of the day’s final event, or within one hour of the Referee’s adverse decision, whichever comes later. The decision of the Outboard Racing Commission on any appeal shall be final, conclusive and binding on all parties and shall not be subject to any further appeal or to any proceedings in any court.
(12-8) A copy of all protests and appeals involving technical requirements of boats and motors shall be sent by the Referee immediately to the Chairman of the Outboard Racing Commission.
(12-9) Ten (10) days will be allowed for postmark of evidence and testimony mailed to the Commission Chairman from all parties concerned.
(12-10) The eventual final authority for all protests and appeals is the Outboard Racing Commission
(12-11) If the resolution of an appeal or protest requires the shipment of a part or parts to a technical committee, the Referee shall collect an additional $100.00 from the person filing the appeal or protest. This money shall be used to defray the shipping costs for surface carrier shipment to and from the technical committee and any excess amount shall be sent to the Drag Representative of the Outboard Racing Commission. The Drag Representative shall send $100.00 to the person who filed the appeal or protest, and paid the additional $100.00, if the appeal or protest is upheld. Any special handling or shipment will be at the owner’s expense.

RULE 13 • PRIZES
(13-1) Cash prizes, merchandise, appearance money and/or trophies may be awarded at the sponsors’ discretion.
(13-2) No trophy, prize or race shall be awarded to any person until all his racing and protest fees have been paid.
(13-3) If a contestant is disqualified, the prizes shall be awarded the next contestant on the basis of points awarded to the legal boats in the corrected order of finish.

RULE 14 • SAFETY
(14-1) Driver Safety Equipment
A. During any race, every participant must wear a full shell competition helmet. Helmets must meet Snell 1985 standards or equivalent or newer. Open face with eye protection or full face helmets are permitted. Any colour is permitted. Helmet restraints are recommended for all classes.
B. In all race categories every participant must wear a life jacket (P.F.D.) designed for sanctioned racing with leg straps or thigh skirts, and skid collars. A jacket with 360 flak protection is recommended.
C. CBF General Safety Rules for life jackets apply, except that the Drag Category is exempt from any color requirements.
(14-2) No driver shall assume a driving position that requires that they remove both hands from the steering wheel.
(14-3) A suitable arrangement shall be installed capable of closing throttles in case of loss of control. An electric “kill” switch shall be installed and shall be capable of stopping the engine if the driver is separated from the boat. This switch shall also shut off the fuel pump. A kill switch must consist of a line (plug, cap, etc. which must attach to the parts inside the hull to facilitate continuous operation of the engine) and a tether less than four feet in length with a switch activating force less than 30 pounds. All safety switch tethers must be permanently attached to the driver by a breakaway device with a pull force greater than the switch activating force. All boats with reinforced cockpits will have a positive on, positive off ignition shut off switch for the engine, (no momentary switches permitted) located on the left (port) outside of the cockpit It will be clearly marked “ENGINE SHUTOFF SWITCH”. Boats with reinforced cockpits equipped with electric fuel pumps must have a fuel pump shut down switch located adjacent to the engine shutoff switch. It will be clearly marked “FUEL SHUTOFF SWITCH”. Those switches may be combined into a single makerbreaker style switch if desired.
(14-4) Engines must be bolted to hulls directly or via jackplate. No adjustment of moveable/powered jackplates (transoms) is allowed, and power to powered jackplates must be disconnected during competition.
(14-5) Anyone starting or running any outboard motor over land or dock with the propeller, propnut, washer(s), or thrust washer on the lower unit will be disqualified.
(14-6) Pre-race safety inspection: An inspection of each entry must be made by the Race Committee, prior to the boat entering the water at every race, to determine whether the boat is seaworthy, of safe construction and that all mechanical devices for steering, throttle, lifting bridle, etc., are in good and safe working order. This inspection doesn’t guarantee the safety or seaworthiness of the boat. Safety is the driver’s responsibility, although an inspector can disqualify a driver if minimum requirements are not apparent.
(14-7) Clothing requirements are as follows: long pants and closed toe shoes are required; and long sleeved shirts are recommended.
(14-8) The Outboard Racing Commission can at any time during the year add rules to insure the safety of all drivers, crew, and others.
(14-9) Shiftable propellers are not permitted.
(14-10) For boats with remote steering, a foot throttle with spring return and steering wheel or floor mounted power trim buttons are required.
(14-11) All safety capsules bull shall conform to Stock Outboard T class capsule rules.

RULE 15 • INSPECTION
(15-1) Motors, hulls, and other equipment subject to these rules shall be inspected by the inspector and a report of any violation of rules and regulations submitted as early as possible to the Race Committee for action.
(15-2) Such equipment shall be available for examination previous to the race and if found not in compliance with any governing rule or regulation, unsafe, unseaworthy, or unmanageable, or if the owner or driver has failed to live up to the rules, the Race Committee may rescind the entry. Correction or substitution may be permitted if made previous to competing in the race but the start shall not be delayed to allow compliance.
(15-3) Immediately after the finish of a race, contestants shall report with their boats and motors to the inspector at such place as designated by the Race Committee. The boat and motor shall remain in the custody of the Inspector until dismissed. For the purpose of the enforcement of Drag technical rules, the engine and boat shall be assumed to have been raced in the same condition in which they appear during post race inspection.
(15-4) The driver shall be responsible for the condition of the motor and hull as raced. Errors on the part of the manufacturer, boat builder, mechanic, or previous owner shall not excuse noncompliance with the rules.
(15-5) The Inspectors shall have the power after the finish of any race to order any contestant to dismantle his motor for inspection and measurement. Any contestant refusing to comply with the orders of the Inspector or Pit Manager may be disqualified by the Race Committee.
(15-6) Each winning boat and motor and such others as may be designated by the Race Committee, shall be torn down, inspected, and measured. The Referee may waive inspection unless a protest has been filed.
(15-7) The Inspector shall inspect and check the boat with the same powers and requirements defined for motors in other sections of this rule.
(15-8) For the purposes of inspection, boat length shall be the total length of the boat at its maximum dimension, but no non-original additions will be allowed to make class length.
(15-9) Head studs are allowed in all classes.
(15-10) Factory production multiple propeller setups are allowed. Multiple engine setups are not allowed.
(15-11) The following are not allowed in any class:
A. Expansion Chambers
B. Turbochargers
C. Superchargers (blowers)
D. Transmissions (more than one forward speed)
E. Cool Cans
F. Speedmaster or Steckbauer type small gearcases
G. Methanol, alcohol or any mixing or boosters.
H. Nitrous, no bottles on board.
(15-12) The Referee may record a technical disqualification on a specific member’s card whenever:
A. A driver does not report with his boat to the Inspector after a race for inspection.
B. A driver refuses to dismantle his engine when asked to by the Inspector.
C. A driver forfeits a race rather than submit to inspection.
D. In the opinion of the Inspector, the driver has defied the rule and competed with illegal equipment.
(15-13) Any technical disqualification during a sanctioned event shall disqualify that participant for all racing under that sanction in that class.

RULE 16 • CLASS RULES
(16-1) FORMULA CLASS
A. AGE REQUIREMENT: 18
B. Entry level class to be designed by conducting club, subject to all CBF General Safety Rules, and to be legislated by conducting club officials. No national points for this class.
C. Formula class may be divided by the race committee in order to group boats by similar performance in order to promote competition and fairness.

(16-2) FORMULA 2 CLASS
A. AGE REQUIREMENT: 18
B. HULLS: Boats in this class must be produced and offered by manufacturer with seating for a minimum of three adults. No competition hull designs allowed. Full interior must be in place when running. Hull lengths between 15’ and 21’ permitted.
C. ENGINES: Minimum of 15” midsection to maximum of 20” midsection. Horsepower ratings from 150 to 260 from any manufacturer. Engines 150 to 244 hp may run up to 165 PSI compression. Engines of 245 or greater may run up to 140 PSI compression.
D. GEARCASES: Gearcases must be shiftable (forward-neutral-reverse) from the driver’s seat. No small XR6 style gearcases allowed unless otherwise noted. Stock gearcases modified with LWP or nose cones are allowed.
E. HOODS: Aftermarket and lightweight OEM style hoods allowed. Louvers allowed.
F. FUEL: Gasoline pump fuel only. No fuel additives allowed. May be required to purchase fuel on site. The octane and brand will be announced on the race circular.

(16-3) FORMULA 1 CLASS
A. AGE REQUIREMENT: 18
B. HULLS: Boats in this class can be produced by any manufacturer with seating for a minimum of one person. Hull lengths between 15’ and 21’ permitted.
C. ENGINES: Any size midsection is permitted. Horsepower rating is open, suggested 225 hp through 300 hp from any manufacturer. Any engine modification is permitted.
D. GEARCASES: Gearcases must be shiftable (forward-neutral-reverse) from the driver’s seat. Stock gearcases modified with LWP or nose cones are allowed.
E. HOODS: Aftermarket and lightweight OEM style hoods allowed. Louvers allowed.
F. FUEL: Gasoline pump fuel or race gas allowed.

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 PostPosted: October 17th, 2012, 1:56 pm   
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I was looking for those. Thank you.


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No problem, glad to help.

To add, the Drag Rep at CBF level could be a committee if wanted also. CBF is very accommodating from my experience. Just let them know how you'd like to see things run and discuss.

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should i make drag racing its own section? that way all the info is in one spot?


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OneCycle wrote:
should i make drag racing its own section? that way all the info is in one spot?


That might be better if you think it's should ;)

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the rules list [formula 2]- no xr6 cases unless otherwise noted-[where would this otherwise noted be found?]


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SHIVERS wrote:
the rules list [formula 2]- no xr6 cases unless otherwise noted-[where would this otherwise noted be found?]


Ya things should be looked at by the people with power. Its way over complicated and can be made so much more condensed. "In my opinion that is"

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