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BoomerMuskoka · **Posted:** June 29th, 2015, 11:58 pm

Jeff Yammer wrote:

It's not a fit.
It's a rule.
It's the standard that all boats are weighed empty.
Why is it that you feel like you do not need to weigh the same as others or why is it that no one else complained about the rule or the procedure.
The procedure was set months ago.

We have all worked hard to get to this point and there's no need to step in at this stage and think you can be different than any other racer that's raced for years or their first time.

There is no place for your comments and rules are rules and that is that.

You being competitive has to do with weight. You must be competitive at the set weight like all other Lake Racer boats.

This shouldn't be an issue and you insisting on removing the 30lbs from your boat is about principal and not the actual weight. You are not a special case and have known of the few simple rules we have and you can either respect those simple or choose not to race. That is up to you

I really hope to see you race at Haliburton and I hope you can accept that this group is doing its best to move forward and rules are there for genuine reasons.
You really are missing the point and the hard work that has gone in to this to get to where it is now.

The other boat that was questioned was the 15' Allison. It was meant to be an experiment to the class. It is not a normal Lake Racer boat and should weigh the same as the others as they have worked hard to get to where they are.

If these simple rules aren't followed or respected then there should be no rules .....

its not like im going to make my boat any lighter

might add another battery then i should comply with all your wussy rules and you can stop crying now lets try to convince p@ to start racing again..

he can steam roll me and my 1550lb boat i dgaf im making progress..

Ted Biglow · **Joined:** October 24th, 2012, 11:24 pm **Posts:** 15

Before I add my worthless opinions to these topics, I'll just throw out that "change" and "evolution" are typically grey areas wanting to become black and white. And as soon as I have the faintest idea how that little philosophical blurb pertains to any of this, I'll be back...

FluKy15 · **Joined:** February 11th, 2015, 2:22 am **Posts:** 277

Guys, the rules are made so that it reduces the chaos that happens when there are none. Gives us a direction to work towards, and parameters to play within... Just my quick thoughts here...

Jeff Yammer · **Posted:** June 30th, 2015, 7:16 am

If you add a second GR24 battery you'll be right there at weight.

This isn't about you Boomer it's about the class and the efforts all have made to get here.

Based on the footage your boat isn't far away at all from the class leaders as it sits now.

It's great to have more boats but there should be rules to keep the completion as level as possible. 1540lbs is ODBA 260 Super Stock engine rules for Lake Racer so due to the boats we have had consistently running with the class for the last few years it was thought of to make it a level 1550lbs. That was thought of to allow some of the heavier combos to not be so handicapped by their weight and it has seemed to put us in the right direction.
Keep in mind that a boat this past weekend had to add 160lbs over what the typical standard Lake Racer weight is for that combo and that person did so happily. And did so because it is the right thing to do for class and more level competition.

talonkid · **Joined:** April 2nd, 2012, 10:55 am **Posts:** 327

I understand Jeff, was merely just trying to make a suggestion that would possibly help bring in potential racers all while maintaining good competition amongst all the boats. Unfortunately, in my position it is physically impossible to safely add 550 pounds into a 15 foot boat to meet the minimum weight guidelines. Therefore, since there is currently no class for me to run my boat I will be there to support the drag racing community, but will be doing so from stands.

Chummy · **Joined:** May 7th, 2013, 10:15 am **Posts:** 43

How could you expect a 15' boat to weigh the same as a 20' boat? Five feet of lift under a boat is quite critical.... Maybe Mike could add some weight to stay competitive or other ways too. Just a few thoughts, but would suck to turn away boats imo when you already have so few.

Jeff Yammer · **Posted:** June 30th, 2015, 11:31 am

Agreed chummy and that is why it was great to have him race.
Now in saying that a guy with a 1550lb boat with the very same carb 260/245hp against that same power in a 1000lb boat doesn't stand a chance once he gets the jetting figured out and if the water is right. A long time racer that has a 1550lb boat deserves the same chance to win as everyone else.

It's a tough thing to make everyone happy but it won't happen and never ever will. We upped the weight for fair completion and to remove it now would throw all of that away and the hard work a money spent by those racers to get to 1550lbs.

If it didn't cost money to travel , lodging , entry etc etc then no one care but when you pay to play every effort possible should be made to get even competition as possible.

Cheers

Chummy · **Joined:** May 7th, 2013, 10:15 am **Posts:** 43

Yammer, you missed my point completely

Jeff Yammer · **Posted:** June 30th, 2015, 2:08 pm

Chummy wrote:

Yammer, you missed my point completely

How so and sorry for the miss ....

We allowed him to race his boat. We discussed how to even the field so he could run in the future and in a way that everyone agreed upon. We discussed prop pitches even. Etc etc.

We know that more boats are better but must be done fairly in a way that keeps the long time participants happy while filling the class.

Trust me that when he gets his boat tune dialed in it should do damage and that's great .... But not at the expense of a rule abiding class boat.
Please also keep in mind that these simple rules didn't just spring out of the ground the day before the race .... These have been known for months and months. Mike knew it was an experiment to see how it would go. At what point does an organization stick to its rules ? I'd say after the rules were set , no ?
I can't go to DSRA / ODBA with a non-conforming combination and expect them to bend just for me. Same as I can't with my car when I run the Yellow Bullet Nationals .........
But we have made an exception for Mike and he knew that.

There's nothing wrong with saying I missed your point but feel free to point out how. The more input the better

Cheers

Hevi Kevi · **Posted:** June 30th, 2015, 2:59 pm

I'm not in drags but I'm just going to throw this out there. It only makes sense to me that boats that meet the class rules compete for points and climb the latter. Most boats can fit into a class with minor changes so it's not a big deal. Obviously, Mike's can't. Since him and maybe others want to see what they can do on the drag course with their buddies, is it possible to work out a way that they can be matched up with boats that they would run close to and not climb the latter or collect points? Maybe this would screw up the whole scoring system, I don't know, but chances are he just wants to come race some of his friends and see what his boat will do. I can't speak for Mike, but I doubt he would really care if he can't take home a title with a boat that doesn't fit the classes.

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